Clean Bulk : Test e + Tren e + Boldenone + Dbol

[METOsin]

I will take 16 weeks off from my first Test e only cycle,

Did a lot of mistakes in my first cycle so i am trying to avoid any errors and nail this one

Please be patient with me

16 weeks of:
Test e : 300mg per week
Tren e : 300mg per week
Boldenone: 300 per week
Dbol : 20 mg ED for 6 weeks kickstart

Anastrozol and cabergoline and 2 vials of HCG 5000 on hand, but i need some clarification on how to use.

Blood work will be done before , mid , and after cycle

Clomiphen and tamoxifen on pct

Please advise if this is too much or if any modifications are needed!

Thanks in advance !!!

 

[asuoblako288]

Ok,you want to run tren on your second cycle,gonna let that slide.

But there is absolutely no reason to take Boldenone and D-Bol:


1.Tren itself always crushes lipids and increases hematocrit and BP(in most cases) and boldenone is just going to make it way worse with practically no additional benefits because the dose it pretty low(going to get dwarfed by tren) AND the fact that Bold is a long acting compound(undec.)that will take at least 6 weeks to saturate(by that time tren will be fully active).

2. Same goes for D-Bol.You don't need a kickstart if you have tren,not because it's quick acting,but because both compounds are harsh.And keep in mind,your cycle is 16 weeks!That means you expose your body to a huge amount of stress even without bold and D-Bol(starting from week 4+ when tren and test finally kick in).Why would you use D-Bol that is going to destroy your cardiovascular system,liver etc. even before tren kicks in just to "start your cycle" a few week earlier?


A better approach is simple:


1. 400 test E(the dose that is going to give you more growth without a ton of water retention or serious BP issues like with 500mg+)

2. 300 tren A(typically a sweet spot for gains without massive sides.Use it only if you understand the risks of taking this compound).

Tren Ace is superior for a first time tren user because if the sides get unbearable you can quickly get it out of your system due to the short ester(or adjust the dose).

Do not use anastrozole aggressively without a bloodwork and absolutely do not use cabergoline before you get your prolactin test results

1.Cabergoline can crash your prolactin easily(prolactin levels with 19-nor compounds are highly individual and much more unpredictable than estradiol levels.For someone 300 tren can cause no progestin sides,for others-elevate their prolactin levels to the sky,so you should get an early prolactin test).

2.Tren A will kick in really fast,that's another reason to drop D-Bol AND check your prolactin early)).

And for supplements I can suggest:

1.NAC(potent antioxidant)
2.TUDCA(liver support)
3.High dose fish oil(cardiovascular and neurologic support)
4.P-5-p(neuroprotection and mild prolactin control)
5.Melatonin(tren will likely disrupt sleep)
6.Coenzyme q10
and do your research on other supplements if there is some side effect that you'd like to reduce.

Make a good training plan and stick to it.This is going to yield you 80%+ of your gains.

Nothing to say about PCT and hCG usage.You will need a very strong pct after finishing this cycle(do your research on how to plan a PCT).

Bloodwork:
Step 1:pre cycle
Step 2:early prolactin test
Step 3:mid cycle
Step 4:end of the cycle
Step 5:8 weeks after finishing your PCT to ensure testosterone restoration.

(all bloodwork steps are not negotiable)


Determination , discipline and a smart approach will give you more than PEDs alone!

Good luck!

 

[METOsin]

Thank you bro , i am really considering it all after reading this, maybe I got a bit too enthusiastic, must stick to the safest choices tho,

I am still doing more research…
I really appreciate your comment!!!

 

[dr. Doping]

I will take 16 weeks off from my first Test e only cycle,

Did a lot of mistakes in my first cycle so i am trying to avoid any errors and nail this one

Please be patient with me

16 weeks of:
Test e : 300mg per week
Tren e : 300mg per week
Boldenone: 300 per week
Dbol : 20 mg ED for 6 weeks kickstart

Anastrozol and cabergoline and 2 vials of HCG 5000 on hand, but i need some clarification on how to use.

Blood work will be done before , mid , and after cycle

Clomiphen and tamoxifen on pct

Please advise if this is too much or if any modifications are needed!

Thanks in advance !!!

Sorry but this is one of the worst cycle ideas I've ever read. You start by saying you did a lot of mistakes during your first cycle, so you'll correct them by... Adding 3 new compounds, each with different side effects and interactions and at quite high dosages.

1. Test e at 300mg per week in different context is fine, I hope you don't pin 2x per week but daily or EOD (95% of times someone says a nice, rounded number for dosages they pin way to infrequently). In this context, this can cause extreme problems, which I'll get to.

2. Tren e on the second cycle is stupid and especially at that dosage. Most people don't need tren and those who would (high level professional bodybuilders during prep) are consistent enough so they can avoid using it. As you said, you already did a lot of mistakes on test only, tren will only make it worse. Yes, tren is 7 times stronger than test when compared miligram per miligram (according to actual studies, not herschberger essays that compare tren to nandrolone acetate, where the 500:500 androgenic to anabolic ratio actually comes from) but the side effects are also about 7 times stronger. Not to mention it is probably the steroid with the highest number of cross interactions - it's a stronger progestin than even progesterone. If someone were to try tren for the first time, I'd always suggest acetate since the shorter half life makes adjustments easier and faster. And the dosage is totally too high for the first time, a lot of people have sleep problems at as low as 100mg per week and noticeably shorter fuse at even lower dosages.

3. Boldenone isn't a bad choice in this day and age since primo and mast are out of stock and stack designs without the need for an AI are probably the best way to use stuff. But EQ is almost as unforgiviing as tren in this situation since it takes about 10 weeks for it to saturate (since it has a half life of 2 weeks and it takes 4-5 half lives for a drug to saturate). And the bigger problem with EQ is it's AI property (because of the double bond at position 1), since it seems to be a very strong AI. Running it at a 1:1 ratio is rarely smart since it crashes estradiol too much. But I don't believe it causes RBC increase to a higher degree than other steroids, I just think people don't know how to get tested (if you're dehydrated, your blood has less volume but the same amount of cells...).

4. Dianabol for a kickstart isn't a smart idea. You could probably get away with it, but it causes liver stress (and why shoot yourself in the leg at the start of the cycle already), it aromatises like crazy and is probably the least useful common oral in my opinion. I actually don't see a use case for it at all. If you can't wait for the cycle to kick in, just frontload compounds with esters longer than enanthate or cypionate (that are non-aromatisable compounds, otherwise you'll just get sky high estrogenic metabolites).

5. PCT is pretty much impossible after a cycle like this. You need to wait 4-5 half lives of the longest acting compound used, after the last administration before you can start the PCT. At that point, your testicles will be pretty atrophied (if you weren't using HCG throughought the cycle). Also, enclomiphene is vastly superior to clomiphene.

6. Yes, bloodwork is a necessity but if just see what's wrong with you from the cycle without doing anything to fix it, then you did half the job, but didn't do the most important part. I didn't see any ancillaries besides arimidex and caber listed, or supplements used to mitigate side effects. Use those too.

All in all, I can't find a way to see this as a viable cycle. I suggest you do something simpler but execute it well. I'd suggest another test only cycle (with proper estradiol managment) and after reading the cycle log of your last cycle, I'd say you really don't need more than 440mg per week (125mg every other day). I am worried you might not be old enough and disciplined to use peds, so I'd like a clarification on your age. And seeing the numbers you mentioned in your last log - bench went from 35kg to 70kg - I have to wonder were you even trainign for more than 2 months before hopping on. Tracking food, eating right, logging training, making progress pictures and having good sleep hygiene is a non-negotiable for all serious natty lifters, let alone enhanced ones. I'd suggest you wait before hopping on again - for your own wellbeing. You still have time to correct course and I sincerely hope you do, people on this forum, including me, will more than gladly help you. I don't want to come across too harshly, but people like you give steroids a bad rep and responsible users have to hide our use. But it seems you have done the first step, you seem to be eager to improve. Now it's just the hard part of doing the damn work.

 

[xccdf]

I would really advise against using Tren on your 2nd cycle. I think a lot of the other posts covered that but I would really recommend against it.

Maybe NPP would be a good swap and adding in cardio. NPP doesn't bloat everyone and you can cut on it as well.

Pick anything but Trent or MENT. Thats not going to be good for a 2nd cycle.

 

[METOsin]

Thanks y’all for these precious pieces of advice; I’m definitely taking them into consideration , i am still doing further researchers, then I will update y’all on my final decision.

For now i am already considering this new modifications :

16 week cycle:

Week 1-8: Test E 200mg

Then gradually upping Test to 400mg till the end of the cycle

Week 1-12: Eq 400mg

Week 10-16: Tren E 200mg

Everything pinned Eod

(Dbol kickstarter still in consideration tho)

BUT I MUST CONFESS THIS:

I have two main reasons for wanting to insist on using Tren, and possibly Dbol, for my second cycle:

1. I’m planning for this to be my final steroid cycle, so there’s a part of me that wants to “fly close to the sun” without getting burned to ashes —pushing things as far as I safely can before I’m done, once for all.

2. I’ve always been fascinated by these two compounds. I’ve been curious about them for years, and there’s a big part of me that wants to experience them at least once in my life.

I will take a way longer break before hopping on my second cycle , Tracking food, eating right, logging training, making progress pictures and having good sleep hygiene will be non negotiable this time as @dr. Doping says

Thanks y’all again for your comprehension, i am still open for other ideas and opinions specially from experienced people in this forum

ARIGATO

 

[Falcon]

I'm curious, although it doesn't strictly belong to the topic, but have you originally planned to do just one or two cycles? Are you looking to maximise muscle and then rely on muscle memory for the future? I really like this approach, to build up once and then just go ahead with your life without continuous health risks. Or what else is behind this decision?

 

[METOsin]

@Falcon
Yup , exactly my friend, it had always been my plan to do not more than 3 cycles, (even though i always see the usual meme around that says: ITS ONLY ONE CYCLE I SWEAR) .
after releasing how (real) it gets with my first Test only cycle , I decided to stick to 2 only.

But yeah, the idea was , still and hopefully will remain that i don’t want to be dependent on something to live to the fullest , or even to live (normally),
as you said : maximise muscle , preserve it if possible ( or as much as possible) with proper PCT combined with consistent light training and a healthy lifestyle , MainGain , then rely on muscle memory for the future if i may be wanting to do the classic bulk and cut another time.

Maybe i am not the only one thinking like this, but it’s always been my philosophy in life, that it’s too short to stick around the same things forever and the world is too diverse with all it’s colours and tastes and differences of ( insert whatever you want) ,

I’ve always been a free soul that if one day i want to escape to the Himalayas with nothing but my tent and water, i can do it without relaying on my phone or internet , or anybody else, let’s not even discuss the idea of a substance that without it i will feel literally (sick).

It makes sense to me to the fullest,

i still admire and respect people who stick to a particular thing in life until near perfection.

Without opening the subject of : we all know where the continuous use of PEDs for years leads.

 

[SalvatoreCorvus]

Hi.

Forget the possibility of doing a pct right after your cycle. It has already been said. EQ and 19nor lol.

In addition for this second cycle you have absolutely no idea how you are going to manage your estrogen with test (that you increase without real justification it makes no sense) and EQ and even less the sides with dbol. It's going to be a happy mess and you won't know who's going to do what.

The tren will also distort your blood tests with regard to your e2. So it's impossible to really manage that under Tren. And new compound = short ester. What do you do if you're in shit? Do you wait 10 days for it to get better?
And if you really want to experience the "beauty" of the tren it's at the end of the cut cycle when you're at 6-8% bodyfat. There are only morons who use tren in bulk cycle.

It's not a cycle for someone with so little experience in handling effects and sides and bloodwork.

You're just going really fast into a wall.