Expert Answered Anavar e pct

[pamri65]

Dopo un ciclo di anavar di 5 settimane a 25 mg al giorno senza prendere nient'altro ho fatto le analisi e avevo dolori bassi di LH FSH e testosterone. Cosa devo fare?

Durante il prossimo ciclo è meglio associare all'anavar qualcosa che però non sia testo?

 

[Donvitosharkone]

Dopo un ciclo di anavar di 5 settimane a 25 mg al giorno senza prendere nient'altro ho fatto le analisi e avevo dolori bassi di LH FSH e testosterone. Cosa devo fare?

Durante il prossimo ciclo è meglio associare all'anavar qualcosa che però non sia testo?

Hi Pamri65!

your bloodwork is already giving you the most important answer here.

Anavar is suppressive. Five weeks at 25 mg/day were enough for you to come back with low LH, FSH and testosterone, so I definitely wouldn’t be thinking about what to add to Anavar for the next cycle yet.

First, post the actual bloodwork with the reference ranges and tell us when it was taken relative to your last Anavar dose. That timing matters a lot. I’d want to see total testosterone, SHBG/free T, LH, FSH, E2, prolactin, CBC, AST/ALT/GGT and especially your full lipid profile.

Then give your body time and repeat the hormonal panel. We need to see whether your axis is recovering rather than immediately throwing more medication at a number.

And regarding the next cycle: replacing testosterone with another suppressive compound doesn’t solve the fundamental problem. You can very easily end up suppressing your own testosterone again while having no sensible androgenic foundation.

So for now, I would say forget the next stack.

Show us the bloodwork, recover first, establish where your natural hormones settle, and then we can have a much smarter conversation about what comes next.

One problem at a time, brother

Shark

 

[Sam Bjorn]

Dopo un ciclo di anavar di 5 settimane a 25 mg al giorno senza prendere nient'altro ho fatto le analisi e avevo dolori bassi di LH FSH e testosterone. Cosa devo fare?

Durante il prossimo ciclo è meglio associare all'anavar qualcosa che però non sia testo?

Mate, look, you probably read somewhere that Anavar is a mild steroid and suppresses your natural testosterone less than anything else. From a purely theoretical scientific point of view, that may be true, but in practice it’s different because at supraphysiological doses of androgens, and 25 mg is definitely such a dose, the suppression will be pretty much the same as with any other steroid. If your dose were 2.5 mg, then your logic would be correct.

There’s no point in using pills instead of a proper cycle with testosterone. Since all steroids (not counting Proviron) suppress your natural testosterone production, every cycle should include testosterone. At least at a dose that provides physiological levels of this hormone. Nobody has managed to “hack” or bypass this system yet. So during your next cycle, you need to add testosterone and only testosterone.

If you don’t want to do intramuscular injections, use testosterone with insulin needles and inject it subcutaneously, but frequently. It’s a perfectly acceptable and fairly popular method these days.

 

[Sam Bjorn]

I’ve just found a couple of studies on testosterone suppression when taking oxandrolone. I’ll just leave them here for general information.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8319371/
Boys took oxandrolone for 12 weeks at 2.5 mg per day.
Suppression was: LH −35%, endogenous T −58%

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16540931/
Men took oxandrolone for 12 weeks at 20, 40, and 80 mg.

20 mg: LH −27%, endogenous T −46%
40 mg: LH −34%, endogenous T −45%
80 mg: LH −54%, endogenous T −67%

 

[pamri65]

Hi Pamri65!

your bloodwork is already giving you the most important answer here.

Anavar is suppressive. Five weeks at 25 mg/day were enough for you to come back with low LH, FSH and testosterone, so I definitely wouldn’t be thinking about what to add to Anavar for the next cycle yet.

First, post the actual bloodwork with the reference ranges and tell us when it was taken relative to your last Anavar dose. That timing matters a lot. I’d want to see total testosterone, SHBG/free T, LH, FSH, E2, prolactin, CBC, AST/ALT/GGT and especially your full lipid profile.

Then give your body time and repeat the hormonal panel. We need to see whether your axis is recovering rather than immediately throwing more medication at a number.

And regarding the next cycle: replacing testosterone with another suppressive compound doesn’t solve the fundamental problem. You can very easily end up suppressing your own testosterone again while having no sensible androgenic foundation.

So for now, I would say forget the next stack.

Show us the bloodwork, recover first, establish where your natural hormones settle, and then we can have a much smarter conversation about what comes next.

One problem at a time, brother

Ok invierò le analisi

 

[Sam Bjorn]

Ok invierò le analisi

Yes, first get the blood tests that Shark sent you. Did you start PCT after that cycle, or did you just stop Anavar and that was it? The point is that first you need to raise your testosterone — drugs such as clomiphene or enclomiphene are used for this. Once you’ve completed PCT and restored your natural hormone levels, you can start planning your next cycle.

For that, we need to know a few things:

1. Your height, weight, and age
2. A photo of your current physique
3. Your future goals

 

[pamri65]

After stopping Anavar, I had blood work done, and the results are what I’ve posted here. At that point, I started a two-week HCG protocol followed by enclomiphene: 25 mg daily for the first week, then 12.5 mg daily for another two weeks. I waited two weeks and then ran the tests I’ve attached. A few days ago, I went for follow-up tests, and I am currently waiting for those results. I am 50 years old with about 25 years of training experience; I have never used any pharmacological agents and have always remained natural, using only dietary supplements. This year, I wanted to get a bit leaner than in previous years, so I used Anavar at 25 mg daily for 5 weeks—this was my first time using anabolic agents.

Age: 50; Weight: 82 kg; Height: 1.88 m

Body fat (via skinfold caliper): 5%
Foto in pvt

 

[Sam Bjorn]

You’re in really impressive shape. I can’t remember seeing many guys this lean, especially considering you’ve been natural the whole time

You did the right thing by starting PCT, although HCG would have been better used during the cycle, but it is what it is now. You can post your latest bloodwork here when you get the results, and we’ll suggest what to do next.

The second point is deciding what to do going forward. I mean, using oral compounds isn’t the best idea in the long term, especially considering you’re 50 years old. I see several possible options.
1. It would make sense either to run proper cycles with testosterone and PCT.
2. Or consider TRT altogether (but for that, we need to understand what your natural testosterone levels are). Judging by your physique, it’s quite possible that you naturally have fairly high testosterone levels, in which case TRT could make things worse rather than better. But right now, we don’t know what your natural testosterone level is.
3. The third option is to use nothing at all and continue training naturally.

To determine the best strategy going forward, we need to assess the results you got from this cycle around 8 weeks after you finish PCT. If you see that you’ve retained some gains during that time, then it may make sense to look at the concept of short testosterone propionate cycles followed by PCT. After 8 weeks, we’ll also be able to see where your endogenous testosterone level has settled. This will give us some idea of whether TRT makes sense.

That’s the approach I would suggest so we can assess whether the cycle actually worked and how high your testosterone levels are some time after completing PCT. I can explain in detail why I suggest waiting and describe the pros and cons of each approach.

What do you think about that?

 

[pamri65]

Okay, feel free to list the details for me.
Anyway, I was thinking of a very light cycle—just to get defined without losing too much muscle. In any case, I followed the same prep last year—same diet and same routine—but completely natural, and there was a difference of about 1 kg (I was 1 kg heavier). I don't need anything extreme; I’d just like to maintain muscle mass during those eight weeks of cutting.

Why isn't an Oxa-only cycle feasible—perhaps adding HCG during the last 3 weeks?

How many weeks do you mean by a "short" testosterone cycle? Because obviously, with testosterone, I imagine you need to take additional drugs. I chose that option because I have a tendency toward hair loss, so using testosterone, for example, would likely make the situation worse.

Finally, what is your assessment of the lab results I posted?

 

[Sam Bjorn]

Okay, feel free to list the details for me.
Anyway, I was thinking of a very light cycle—just to get defined without losing too much muscle. In any case, I followed the same prep last year—same diet and same routine—but completely natural, and there was a difference of about 1 kg (I was 1 kg heavier). I don't need anything extreme; I’d just like to maintain muscle mass during those eight weeks of cutting.

Why isn't an Oxa-only cycle feasible—perhaps adding HCG during the last 3 weeks?

How many weeks do you mean by a "short" testosterone cycle? Because obviously, with testosterone, I imagine you need to take additional drugs. I chose that option because I have a tendency toward hair loss, so using testosterone, for example, would likely make the situation worse.

Finally, what is your assessment of the lab results I posted?

Sorry, but I didn’t understand — are these the test results from right after you finished Anavar, or from after you completed 2 weeks of PCT and then waited another 2 weeks? I didn’t comment on them because I thought these were your blood tests immediately after the cycle. If that’s the case, there’s no point in saying anything yet; we need to wait for the next blood tests.

 

[Sam Bjorn]

Okay, feel free to list the details for me.
Anyway, I was thinking of a very light cycle—just to get defined without losing too much muscle. In any case, I followed the same prep last year—same diet and same routine—but completely natural, and there was a difference of about 1 kg (I was 1 kg heavier). I don't need anything extreme; I’d just like to maintain muscle mass during those eight weeks of cutting.

Why isn't an Oxa-only cycle feasible—perhaps adding HCG during the last 3 weeks?

How many weeks do you mean by a "short" testosterone cycle? Because obviously, with testosterone, I imagine you need to take additional drugs. I chose that option because I have a tendency toward hair loss, so using testosterone, for example, would likely make the situation worse.

Finally, what is your assessment of the lab results I posted?

Then I’d say your task is much simpler. You just need minimal dosages.

The main problem with a cycle of any steroid without testosterone is the suppression of your own hormones — testosterone, DHT, and estradiol. The drop in estradiol is especially problematic because it’s necessary for maintaining lipid metabolism and bone density.

Potentially, your cycle could include testosterone propionate and HCG 250 IU three times a week. You could keep an aromatase inhibitor on hand and only add it if necessary based on your bloodwork and how you feel.

By a tendency toward hair loss, do you mean androgenetic alopecia? Testosterone will most likely make it worse, so you’re right about that, but oxandrolone does the same thing, just to a slightly lesser extent. If you have genetically determined androgenetic alopecia, then one way or another it will happen sooner or later — it’s only a matter of time. Steroids don’t cause baldness by themselves; they accelerate it because the sensitivity of the androgen receptors in your hair follicles is genetically determined and doesn’t change.