20 Years Old first time on PEDs

[Yukineonroids]

20 years old, Testosterone Enanthate, HCG, Clenbuterol

Starting Stats​

• 20 years old
• 90 kg
• 167cm
• 35% BF

Current Stats (Week 6)​

• 20 years old
• 94 kg
• 167cm
• 30% BF

Foreword​

First of all, I want to thank Driadashop.to for providing me with this platform to share my knowledge with you. Most importantly, I want to say that all statements made here are without warranty.

Why did I start taking AAS at 20 years old?​

The reason for this is that there was no doctor who could help me solve my problems. I had a testosterone deficiency and every doctor wanted to prescribe me antidepressants for my symptoms, which I personally strongly opposed. After that, I really intensively engaged with this entire topic and did not even bother to look at bro science things, but instead immediately engaged deeply with the subject and only looked at validated scientific studies and analyzed them systematically.

Why I chose Testosterone Enanthate, HCG, and Clenbuterol​

Testosterone Enanthate (2x 125mg = 250mg per week)​

Due to my hypogonadism, I chose testosterone enanthate because it is not a foreign substance to the body and should therefore be a baseline in every cycle and is also used in medical TRT in Germany. With this dosage, I reached over 13 ng/ml testosterone at trough in a blood test after 6 weeks, which shows that I am a very good responder.

HCG (2x 250IU = 500IU per week)​

I take HCG in a very low dosage which is minimal to prevent testicular atrophy and so that I can maintain the stimulation of my Leydig cells so that they do not shrink and later when I eventually stop there are no long-term damages. The mechanism of action of HCG is as follows: HCG imitates the body's own LH and works on these receptors which promote spermatogenesis and result in the maintenance of testicular capacity.

The great myth that Leydig cells have a habituation effect and are unnecessarily desensitized is wrong. The saying goes "the dose makes the poison" – as long as the dose is kept moderate and in a therapeutic dose such as 250IU 2 times per week, this does not necessarily lead to desensitization. In most cases these occur with higher dosages such as 2500IU per week with long-term use. Why it is important to know this is that with extreme high-dose use without HCG support, Leydig cell damage can occur which under certain circumstances can persist and thus represent a permanent state, which is why there is also the possibility that you have to permanently inject yourself with testosterone because your body can no longer produce it itself.

Clenbuterol (120mcg daily in a 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off scheme)​

I personally took clenbuterol because of my diet, as the drug can bring many advantages but also strong side effects. The advantage of clenbuterol is that it is a beta 2 agonist which increases thermogenesis and thus as a nice side effect brings an additional kcal expenditure of approximately 200-300kcal depending on the dosage. However, the great advantage of clenbuterol is that it mobilizes the fat depots and increases fat oxidation by approximately 30-40%, which results in your body not only drawing on muscles, glycogen and fat but drawing approximately 80-90% only on fat under optimal conditions such as macros, deficit, training. In addition, clenbuterol brings a muscle-sparing effect.

The disadvantages of clenbuterol are as follows: elevated heart rate and high adrenaline levels. Since clenbuterol indirectly promotes adrenaline release and thus also brings tremor and nervousness. In addition, there is the so-called type 2 fiber shift, where the endurance-oriented muscle fibers switch to fast-twitch muscle fibers with reduced endurance. Some see that as an advantage, some as a disadvantage. Then there are the cardiovascular risks, as your cardiovascular system can suffer damage. The beta 2 receptor desensitization: here it is so that with every day of clenbuterol use, the beta 2 receptors become saturated and thus after a while desensitize and thus clenbuterol can no longer produce positive effects, which is why you stick to the most famous scheme of 2 weeks on 2 weeks off so that the receptors can recover and are no longer desensitized.

How did I start?​

Before I started, I did a blood test to know my baseline values. Unfortunately, I had prepared very fatty food the evening before, which resulted in certain values in my blood test not being measurable or being falsified, which I regret afterwards because these values are really important.

PEDs​

Testosterone Enanthate	125mg	2x per week
HCG	250IU	2x per week

Training​

Monday	6 sets chest / 4 sets triceps	10
Tuesday	6 sets back / 4 sets biceps	10
Wednesday	Rest Day	—
Thursday	6 sets biceps / 6 sets triceps / 6 sets shoulders	18
Friday	4 sets chest / 4 sets back	8
Saturday	Rest Day	—
Sunday	Rest Day	—

Why did I choose this training plan?​

I chose this training plan because it is the most effective for me. I train really hard every set to muscle failure or just before muscle failure with steady weight increases. The reason I don't train legs is because I have a torn meniscus in my knee and therefore spare my legs because I need surgery soon.

Diet​

Morning	Clear Whey Isolate
Mid-Morning	Rice Pudding with Whey
Lunch	Chicken breast fillet with rice
Evening	Natural yogurt with flavor drops
Snack	Flexible 200-300kcal

Training Experience​

I personally started strength sports at age 16, however with many training breaks. First I went down from 16 years old with a BF of 45% from 88kg to 65kg and then into the build up to 78kg and then a cut to 74kg and then always had some interruptions due to work and injuries so that I always had sporadic 7 months of training then 5-6 months of breaks etc. Now I come back from a 7-month break from sports.

Progression – Week 6 (Current)​

I am now in week 6 since the first exogenous testosterone injection and have done another blood test to see how my body reacts to it.

Based on my blood test, you can see that my HDL/LDL value is extremely bad, which is due to the fact that I did not do any cardio training to stabilize these values. To do this now, I additionally do cardio, supplement more omega 3, and continue my diet for body fat reduction.

You can also see that my estradiol E2 value is extremely elevated, which is due to my high body fat percentage. As a countermeasure, I have decided to take an aromatase inhibitor. I personally decided on anastrozole 0.5mg daily (ED) and will therefore do another quick lab test for my estradiol in 7 days to see how quickly it drops and then in 14 days when steady state is reached, do another lab test for my estradiol to adjust the dosage accordingly.

Important: With E2 = 162 pg/ml, monitoring is particularly critical because my body fat is simultaneously decreasing (through diet + clen) and this also lowers aromatase activity. This means my E2 could drop faster than normal and therefore I should already check after 7 days to not overshoot.

For you as a nice to know: please consider that there are anastrozole non-responders and if you should be one of them, you should switch to other aromatase inhibitors such as exemestane or letrozole etc.

Countermeasures (from Week 6)​

E2 Management:​

• Anastrozole 0.5mg ED starting now
• Test after 14 days (Steady State)
• Target range: 30-50 pg/ml

Lipid Management:​

• Cardio 3-4x per week (30 min moderate intensity)
• Omega-3 supplementation: 3-4g daily
• Diet: Further caloric deficit for BF reduction
• Goal: HDL >50, LDL <100 within 8-12 weeks

If you have any open questions or recommendations for me, feel free to post them here. I will keep the thread updated accordingly regarding my results. Thank you for your patience and stay safe.

I wrote the complete text myself, but I had it translated into English by an AI since I'm not that good at writing in this language as I'm from Germany. I created the tables myself for a structured overview. I hope I don't get hate for this since I just want to help. Thank you all!

 

[Yukineonroids]

Inbody before Cycle

 

[Donvitosharkone]

20 years old, Testosterone Enanthate, HCG, Clenbuterol

Starting Stats​

• 20 years old
• 90 kg
• 167cm
• 35% BF

Current Stats (Week 6)​

• 20 years old
• 94 kg
• 167cm
• 30% BF

Foreword​

First of all, I want to thank Driadashop.to for providing me with this platform to share my knowledge with you. Most importantly, I want to say that all statements made here are without warranty.

Why did I start taking AAS at 20 years old?​

The reason for this is that there was no doctor who could help me solve my problems. I had a testosterone deficiency and every doctor wanted to prescribe me antidepressants for my symptoms, which I personally strongly opposed. After that, I really intensively engaged with this entire topic and did not even bother to look at bro science things, but instead immediately engaged deeply with the subject and only looked at validated scientific studies and analyzed them systematically.

Why I chose Testosterone Enanthate, HCG, and Clenbuterol​

Testosterone Enanthate (2x 125mg = 250mg per week)​

Due to my hypogonadism, I chose testosterone enanthate because it is not a foreign substance to the body and should therefore be a baseline in every cycle and is also used in medical TRT in Germany. With this dosage, I reached over 13 ng/ml testosterone at trough in a blood test after 6 weeks, which shows that I am a very good responder.

HCG (2x 250IU = 500IU per week)​

I take HCG in a very low dosage which is minimal to prevent testicular atrophy and so that I can maintain the stimulation of my Leydig cells so that they do not shrink and later when I eventually stop there are no long-term damages. The mechanism of action of HCG is as follows: HCG imitates the body's own LH and works on these receptors which promote spermatogenesis and result in the maintenance of testicular capacity.

The great myth that Leydig cells have a habituation effect and are unnecessarily desensitized is wrong. The saying goes "the dose makes the poison" – as long as the dose is kept moderate and in a therapeutic dose such as 250IU 2 times per week, this does not necessarily lead to desensitization. In most cases these occur with higher dosages such as 2500IU per week with long-term use. Why it is important to know this is that with extreme high-dose use without HCG support, Leydig cell damage can occur which under certain circumstances can persist and thus represent a permanent state, which is why there is also the possibility that you have to permanently inject yourself with testosterone because your body can no longer produce it itself.

Clenbuterol (120mcg daily in a 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off scheme)​

I personally took clenbuterol because of my diet, as the drug can bring many advantages but also strong side effects. The advantage of clenbuterol is that it is a beta 2 agonist which increases thermogenesis and thus as a nice side effect brings an additional kcal expenditure of approximately 200-300kcal depending on the dosage. However, the great advantage of clenbuterol is that it mobilizes the fat depots and increases fat oxidation by approximately 30-40%, which results in your body not only drawing on muscles, glycogen and fat but drawing approximately 80-90% only on fat under optimal conditions such as macros, deficit, training. In addition, clenbuterol brings a muscle-sparing effect.

The disadvantages of clenbuterol are as follows: elevated heart rate and high adrenaline levels. Since clenbuterol indirectly promotes adrenaline release and thus also brings tremor and nervousness. In addition, there is the so-called type 2 fiber shift, where the endurance-oriented muscle fibers switch to fast-twitch muscle fibers with reduced endurance. Some see that as an advantage, some as a disadvantage. Then there are the cardiovascular risks, as your cardiovascular system can suffer damage. The beta 2 receptor desensitization: here it is so that with every day of clenbuterol use, the beta 2 receptors become saturated and thus after a while desensitize and thus clenbuterol can no longer produce positive effects, which is why you stick to the most famous scheme of 2 weeks on 2 weeks off so that the receptors can recover and are no longer desensitized.

How did I start?​

Before I started, I did a blood test to know my baseline values. Unfortunately, I had prepared very fatty food the evening before, which resulted in certain values in my blood test not being measurable or being falsified, which I regret afterwards because these values are really important.

PEDs​

Testosterone Enanthate	125mg	2x per week
HCG	250IU	2x per week

Training​

Monday	6 sets chest / 4 sets triceps	10
Tuesday	6 sets back / 4 sets biceps	10
Wednesday	Rest Day	—
Thursday	6 sets biceps / 6 sets triceps / 6 sets shoulders	18
Friday	4 sets chest / 4 sets back	8
Saturday	Rest Day	—
Sunday	Rest Day	—

Why did I choose this training plan?​

I chose this training plan because it is the most effective for me. I train really hard every set to muscle failure or just before muscle failure with steady weight increases. The reason I don't train legs is because I have a torn meniscus in my knee and therefore spare my legs because I need surgery soon.

Diet​

Morning	Clear Whey Isolate
Mid-Morning	Rice Pudding with Whey
Lunch	Chicken breast fillet with rice
Evening	Natural yogurt with flavor drops
Snack	Flexible 200-300kcal

Training Experience​

I personally started strength sports at age 16, however with many training breaks. First I went down from 16 years old with a BF of 45% from 88kg to 65kg and then into the build up to 78kg and then a cut to 74kg and then always had some interruptions due to work and injuries so that I always had sporadic 7 months of training then 5-6 months of breaks etc. Now I come back from a 7-month break from sports.

Progression – Week 6 (Current)​

I am now in week 6 since the first exogenous testosterone injection and have done another blood test to see how my body reacts to it.

Based on my blood test, you can see that my HDL/LDL value is extremely bad, which is due to the fact that I did not do any cardio training to stabilize these values. To do this now, I additionally do cardio, supplement more omega 3, and continue my diet for body fat reduction.

You can also see that my estradiol E2 value is extremely elevated, which is due to my high body fat percentage. As a countermeasure, I have decided to take an aromatase inhibitor. I personally decided on anastrozole 0.5mg daily (ED) and will therefore do another quick lab test for my estradiol in 7 days to see how quickly it drops and then in 14 days when steady state is reached, do another lab test for my estradiol to adjust the dosage accordingly.

Important: With E2 = 162 pg/ml, monitoring is particularly critical because my body fat is simultaneously decreasing (through diet + clen) and this also lowers aromatase activity. This means my E2 could drop faster than normal and therefore I should already check after 7 days to not overshoot.

For you as a nice to know: please consider that there are anastrozole non-responders and if you should be one of them, you should switch to other aromatase inhibitors such as exemestane or letrozole etc.

Countermeasures (from Week 6)​

E2 Management:​

• Anastrozole 0.5mg ED starting now
• Test after 14 days (Steady State)
• Target range: 30-50 pg/ml

Lipid Management:​

• Cardio 3-4x per week (30 min moderate intensity)
• Omega-3 supplementation: 3-4g daily
• Diet: Further caloric deficit for BF reduction
• Goal: HDL >50, LDL <100 within 8-12 weeks

If you have any open questions or recommendations for me, feel free to post them here. I will keep the thread updated accordingly regarding my results. Thank you for your patience and stay safe.

I wrote the complete text myself, but I had it translated into English by an AI since I'm not that good at writing in this language as I'm from Germany. I created the tables myself for a structured overview. I hope I don't get hate for this since I just want to help. Thank you all!

First, a small comment on the format and style. You clearly put a lot of effort into structuring everything, and that’s appreciated. That said, the very academic, almost “paper-like” structure makes it a bit harder to connect with you. This forum works best when people speak more naturally, like they would in a gym conversation. You don’t need disclaimers and formal sections for every point. A more relaxed tone usually gets better feedback and more engagement.

Now, regarding the content itself.

At 20 years old, 167 cm, and starting around 35 percent body fat, the context is important. A lot of hormonal issues at that point are strongly influenced by body fat, insulin sensitivity, sleep, stress, and overall lifestyle. Low or suboptimal testosterone in young men with higher body fat is very common and often improves significantly with fat loss, consistent training, and cardio. That doesn’t mean your symptoms weren’t real, but it does mean there were likely multiple contributing factors, not just testosterone alone.

Running testosterone enanthate at 250 mg per week is already above what most people would call TRT. Your bloodwork showing very high trough levels confirms that you respond well. That’s not necessarily “wrong”, but it’s important to be clear with yourself that this is no longer pure replacement, it’s an enhanced state, with all the pros and cons that come with it.

Your HCG approach is reasonable and conservative, and the way you understand its role shows you’ve done your homework. At the same time, given your age and relatively short exposure so far, it’s more of a preventative measure than a necessity. Not a bad thing, just something to keep in perspective.

Clenbuterol is where I’d personally be most cautious. At your age, body fat level, and training stage, fat loss does not require aggressive stimulants. Clen can absolutely help, but it also adds stress to the cardiovascular system, affects sleep, electrolytes, and anxiety levels. With some structured cardio and continued diet adherence, you’d likely get very similar fat loss results without that extra strain. It’s something to consider, especially long term.

Training wise, the lack of leg work is understandable given your knee issue, but completely avoiding lower body training can slow overall progress. Even with a meniscus injury, there are usually safe alternatives like machines, controlled ranges, or rehab-focused movements that can be discussed with a physio. Lower body work helps not just muscle balance, but also metabolism, conditioning, and lipid health.

Diet is another area where I think you could add more clarity next time. You listed foods, but not total calories, macros, fiber, or sodium. At your starting point, consistency in diet is doing most of the work, not the drugs. Tightening this part will give you better results with fewer side effects.

Your bloodwork already tells an important story. High estradiol and poor HDL/LDL ratios are very common at higher body fat levels. Using an AI can be helpful, but going straight to 0.5 mg anastrozole daily is quite aggressive. Since fat loss itself lowers aromatase activity, estrogen can drop faster than expected. Keeping doses conservative and monitoring frequently is usually the safer route.

Overall, you’re clearly motivated, curious, and willing to learn, which is a very good starting point. My main advice would be to slow things down slightly and focus on building a stronger foundation. The more body fat you lose, the easier hormone management becomes, often with fewer compounds and lower doses.

You’re on a path that can work, but patience and fundamentals will make it much safer and more sustainable. Keep updating, keep learning, and don’t feel rushed to optimize everything at once.

Shark

 

[Yukineonroids]

First, a small comment on the format and style. You clearly put a lot of effort into structuring everything, and that’s appreciated. That said, the very academic, almost “paper-like” structure makes it a bit harder to connect with you. This forum works best when people speak more naturally, like they would in a gym conversation. You don’t need disclaimers and formal sections for every point. A more relaxed tone usually gets better feedback and more engagement.

Now, regarding the content itself.

At 20 years old, 167 cm, and starting around 35 percent body fat, the context is important. A lot of hormonal issues at that point are strongly influenced by body fat, insulin sensitivity, sleep, stress, and overall lifestyle. Low or suboptimal testosterone in young men with higher body fat is very common and often improves significantly with fat loss, consistent training, and cardio. That doesn’t mean your symptoms weren’t real, but it does mean there were likely multiple contributing factors, not just testosterone alone.

Running testosterone enanthate at 250 mg per week is already above what most people would call TRT. Your bloodwork showing very high trough levels confirms that you respond well. That’s not necessarily “wrong”, but it’s important to be clear with yourself that this is no longer pure replacement, it’s an enhanced state, with all the pros and cons that come with it.

Your HCG approach is reasonable and conservative, and the way you understand its role shows you’ve done your homework. At the same time, given your age and relatively short exposure so far, it’s more of a preventative measure than a necessity. Not a bad thing, just something to keep in perspective.

Clenbuterol is where I’d personally be most cautious. At your age, body fat level, and training stage, fat loss does not require aggressive stimulants. Clen can absolutely help, but it also adds stress to the cardiovascular system, affects sleep, electrolytes, and anxiety levels. With some structured cardio and continued diet adherence, you’d likely get very similar fat loss results without that extra strain. It’s something to consider, especially long term.

Training wise, the lack of leg work is understandable given your knee issue, but completely avoiding lower body training can slow overall progress. Even with a meniscus injury, there are usually safe alternatives like machines, controlled ranges, or rehab-focused movements that can be discussed with a physio. Lower body work helps not just muscle balance, but also metabolism, conditioning, and lipid health.

Diet is another area where I think you could add more clarity next time. You listed foods, but not total calories, macros, fiber, or sodium. At your starting point, consistency in diet is doing most of the work, not the drugs. Tightening this part will give you better results with fewer side effects.

Your bloodwork already tells an important story. High estradiol and poor HDL/LDL ratios are very common at higher body fat levels. Using an AI can be helpful, but going straight to 0.5 mg anastrozole daily is quite aggressive. Since fat loss itself lowers aromatase activity, estrogen can drop faster than expected. Keeping doses conservative and monitoring frequently is usually the safer route.

Overall, you’re clearly motivated, curious, and willing to learn, which is a very good starting point. My main advice would be to slow things down slightly and focus on building a stronger foundation. The more body fat you lose, the easier hormone management becomes, often with fewer compounds and lower doses.

You’re on a path that can work, but patience and fundamentals will make it much safer and more sustainable. Keep updating, keep learning, and don’t feel rushed to optimize everything at once.

Shark

Thank you so much for the detailed response to my post—I really appreciate it. I was quite uncertain about whether I should post at all, as I was very concerned about receiving hate from others, particularly because I'm turning to PEDs at such a young age. That's why I made sure to write everything in a structured and scientific way, so people would understand that I'm not just doing this blindly, but that I've thoroughly researched and engaged with the topic before taking any action. As for your suggestions, I'll definitely consider them, as I'm genuinely grateful for feedback from people who have extensive experience with this subject and possess a deeper understanding of it.

 

[Donvitosharkone]

Thank you so much for the detailed response to my post—I really appreciate it. I was quite uncertain about whether I should post at all, as I was very concerned about receiving hate from others, particularly because I'm turning to PEDs at such a young age. That's why I made sure to write everything in a structured and scientific way, so people would understand that I'm not just doing this blindly, but that I've thoroughly researched and engaged with the topic before taking any action. As for your suggestions, I'll definitely consider them, as I'm genuinely grateful for feedback from people who have extensive experience with this subject and possess a deeper understanding of it.

Hope to get more updates mate!!!

Have a nice Xmas!

Shark

 

[Falcon]

Hi. Is there a reason as to why you don't eat vegetables at all? Your lipids will suffer on gear, and phytonutrients with the fibre are very much needed to cushion for that. If your blood tests were not okay lipid-wise before the cycle, you can expect them to get even worse, I would add vegetables unless you have a specific reason not to. (And if they don't improve, there are other things you can try for it, such as citrus bergamot, berberine or red yeast rice extract.) You are young, so there is no long term damage, but it would be better to fix this now.

 

[MLX]

Great cycle overall, but I’d consider exemestane as your AI. It’s much more flexible you can dose it very precisely and stop it at any time.

You also really need to get your cholesterol under control. An HDL below 35 is concerning. Consider adding citrus bergamot and red yeast rice to help improve your lipid profile.

 

[Yukineonroids]

Hi. Is there a reason as to why you don't eat vegetables at all? Your lipids will suffer on gear, and phytonutrients with the fibre are very much needed to cushion for that. If your blood tests were not okay lipid-wise before the cycle, you can expect them to get even worse, I would add vegetables unless you have a specific reason not to. (And if they don't improve, there are other things you can try for it, such as citrus bergamot, berberine or red yeast rice extract.) You are young, so there is no long term damage, but it would be better to fix this now.

Thanks for your answer, honestly I didn't really realize or notice that I had left out fruits and vegetables. I'll change that right away and I just completely forgot about it.

 

[Yukineonroids]

Great cycle overall, but I’d consider exemestane as your AI. It’s much more flexible you can dose it very precisely and stop it at any time.

You also really need to get your cholesterol under control. An HDL below 35 is concerning. Consider adding citrus bergamot and red yeast rice to help improve your lipid profile.

Alright, I'll implement it as best as I can. Thanks a lot for all your support.

 

[MLX]

Alright, I'll implement it as best as I can. Thanks a lot for all your support.

6.25mg of exemastan E3D

 

[unimog]

chatgpt is going to kill you kids.

first of all, how do you know you have testosterone defficiency? did you actually got blood tested? Fat tissue has the enzymes to aromatize so the more fat you have the more testosterone converts to estradiol. With that shbg also rises to try to contain that e2 and ends up trapping testosterone that has more afinnity to it. so basically your free test drops and you might experience symptons of low test while your natural production is totally normal.

antidepressants is a vague word, but from my experience doctors know a lot about the human body and pharmacology and the wisest decision is often to follow their indication. If you are going through a rough time, stressed or whatever, using antidepressants could even fix your test problem. if your sleep is disrupt and your cortisol is constantly high, that for sure impacts your test levels. if its something like using benzodiazapines i understand your position but again i dont know what kind of treatment the doctor wants you to do.

so i think you have to be honest with yourself, your not really using test for curing your "secondary hypogonadism" but you are using it for aesthetics. And that is actually ok, but really you have to be honest with yourself mate.

and really looking at your plan i think you might be trying to kill yourself. 35% body fat, using steroids, lipid panel completly unbalanced and on top of that your using 120mcg daily clenbuterol. you are putting your cardiovascular system under an insane amount of pressure. 40mcg often referred as the standard starting dosage can already have a huge impact in your blood pressure. you are starting with 3 times that amount. the truth is that at 35% bf you cant use clen. throw that shit in the garbage.

 

[Yukineonroids]

chatgpt is going to kill you kids.

first of all, how do you know you have testosterone defficiency? did you actually got blood tested? Fat tissue has the enzymes to aromatize so the more fat you have the more testosterone converts to estradiol. With that shbg also rises to try to contain that e2 and ends up trapping testosterone that has more afinnity to it. so basically your free test drops and you might experience symptons of low test while your natural production is totally normal.

antidepressants is a vague word, but from my experience doctors know a lot about the human body and pharmacology and the wisest decision is often to follow their indication. If you are going through a rough time, stressed or whatever, using antidepressants could even fix your test problem. if your sleep is disrupt and your cortisol is constantly high, that for sure impacts your test levels. if its something like using benzodiazapines i understand your position but again i dont know what kind of treatment the doctor wants you to do.

so i think you have to be honest with yourself, your not really using test for curing your "secondary hypogonadism" but you are using it for aesthetics. And that is actually ok, but really you have to be honest with yourself mate.

and really looking at your plan i think you might be trying to kill yourself. 35% body fat, using steroids, lipid panel completly unbalanced and on top of that your using 120mcg daily clenbuterol. you are putting your cardiovascular system under an insane amount of pressure. 40mcg often referred as the standard starting dosage can already have a huge impact in your blood pressure. you are starting with 3 times that amount. the truth is that at 35% bf you cant use clen. throw that shit in the garbage.

've been showing symptoms of testosterone deficiency since a young age, around 13-14, which may be traced back to a testicular surgery I had in childhood. Doctors have prescribed me several medications like natural antidepressants, benzodiazepines, and strong sleep aids such as zopiclone, but none of these alleviated my symptoms except zopiclone during use, after which I experienced worse sleep problems upon discontinuation.

Despite all this and lab tests, no doctor has been willing to prescribe me TRT. Naturally, I'm not in the TRT range with 250mg per week but in a supraphysiological one, and I won't go higher than 250mg this is just to get back in shape for now, then I'll adjust the intake downward based on lab results to reach the upper natural range.

Your statement that ChatGPT could "kill you kids" I can simply return to you; writing or saying such a thing without knowing a person's concrete background or similar I find, from my perspective, simply disrespectful.

Regarding clenbuterol, I know the cardiovascular risks and am fully aware of them, which is why I'm currently testing the medication to see how it affects me personally and I don't need a lecture from you telling me I'm just dumb and clueless.

This thread is for sharing experiences and helping others who want to inform themselves about these topics, not for judging people like you did that you can do to yourself, but please not to others. Still, thank you for your critical contribution, and I wish you much success and health.

 

[unimog]

i know it sounded aggressive but you really need to understand that what you are doing with clenbuterol is stupid and dangerous in your situation. I dont really know you so im note judging you directly, im just evaluation your protocol and current conditions and i see a recipe for disaster.

 

[MLX]

mby 40 clen not 120

 

[Yukineonroids]

20 years old, Testosterone Enanthate, HCG, Clenbuterol

Starting Stats​

• 20 years old
• 90 kg
• 167cm
• 35% BF

Current Stats (Week 6)​

• 20 years old
• 94 kg
• 167cm
• 30% BF

Foreword​

First of all, I want to thank Driadashop.to for providing me with this platform to share my knowledge with you. Most importantly, I want to say that all statements made here are without warranty.

Why did I start taking AAS at 20 years old?​

The reason for this is that there was no doctor who could help me solve my problems. I had a testosterone deficiency and every doctor wanted to prescribe me antidepressants for my symptoms, which I personally strongly opposed. After that, I really intensively engaged with this entire topic and did not even bother to look at bro science things, but instead immediately engaged deeply with the subject and only looked at validated scientific studies and analyzed them systematically.

Why I chose Testosterone Enanthate, HCG, and Clenbuterol​

Testosterone Enanthate (2x 125mg = 250mg per week)​

Due to my hypogonadism, I chose testosterone enanthate because it is not a foreign substance to the body and should therefore be a baseline in every cycle and is also used in medical TRT in Germany. With this dosage, I reached over 13 ng/ml testosterone at trough in a blood test after 6 weeks, which shows that I am a very good responder.

HCG (2x 250IU = 500IU per week)​

I take HCG in a very low dosage which is minimal to prevent testicular atrophy and so that I can maintain the stimulation of my Leydig cells so that they do not shrink and later when I eventually stop there are no long-term damages. The mechanism of action of HCG is as follows: HCG imitates the body's own LH and works on these receptors which promote spermatogenesis and result in the maintenance of testicular capacity.

The great myth that Leydig cells have a habituation effect and are unnecessarily desensitized is wrong. The saying goes "the dose makes the poison" – as long as the dose is kept moderate and in a therapeutic dose such as 250IU 2 times per week, this does not necessarily lead to desensitization. In most cases these occur with higher dosages such as 2500IU per week with long-term use. Why it is important to know this is that with extreme high-dose use without HCG support, Leydig cell damage can occur which under certain circumstances can persist and thus represent a permanent state, which is why there is also the possibility that you have to permanently inject yourself with testosterone because your body can no longer produce it itself.

Clenbuterol (120mcg daily in a 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off scheme)​

I personally took clenbuterol because of my diet, as the drug can bring many advantages but also strong side effects. The advantage of clenbuterol is that it is a beta 2 agonist which increases thermogenesis and thus as a nice side effect brings an additional kcal expenditure of approximately 200-300kcal depending on the dosage. However, the great advantage of clenbuterol is that it mobilizes the fat depots and increases fat oxidation by approximately 30-40%, which results in your body not only drawing on muscles, glycogen and fat but drawing approximately 80-90% only on fat under optimal conditions such as macros, deficit, training. In addition, clenbuterol brings a muscle-sparing effect.

The disadvantages of clenbuterol are as follows: elevated heart rate and high adrenaline levels. Since clenbuterol indirectly promotes adrenaline release and thus also brings tremor and nervousness. In addition, there is the so-called type 2 fiber shift, where the endurance-oriented muscle fibers switch to fast-twitch muscle fibers with reduced endurance. Some see that as an advantage, some as a disadvantage. Then there are the cardiovascular risks, as your cardiovascular system can suffer damage. The beta 2 receptor desensitization: here it is so that with every day of clenbuterol use, the beta 2 receptors become saturated and thus after a while desensitize and thus clenbuterol can no longer produce positive effects, which is why you stick to the most famous scheme of 2 weeks on 2 weeks off so that the receptors can recover and are no longer desensitized.

How did I start?​

Before I started, I did a blood test to know my baseline values. Unfortunately, I had prepared very fatty food the evening before, which resulted in certain values in my blood test not being measurable or being falsified, which I regret afterwards because these values are really important.

PEDs​

Testosterone Enanthate	125mg	2x per week
HCG	250IU	2x per week

Training​

Monday	6 sets chest / 4 sets triceps	10
Tuesday	6 sets back / 4 sets biceps	10
Wednesday	Rest Day	—
Thursday	6 sets biceps / 6 sets triceps / 6 sets shoulders	18
Friday	4 sets chest / 4 sets back	8
Saturday	Rest Day	—
Sunday	Rest Day	—

Why did I choose this training plan?​

I chose this training plan because it is the most effective for me. I train really hard every set to muscle failure or just before muscle failure with steady weight increases. The reason I don't train legs is because I have a torn meniscus in my knee and therefore spare my legs because I need surgery soon.

Diet​

Morning	Clear Whey Isolate
Mid-Morning	Rice Pudding with Whey
Lunch	Chicken breast fillet with rice
Evening	Natural yogurt with flavor drops
Snack	Flexible 200-300kcal

Training Experience​

I personally started strength sports at age 16, however with many training breaks. First I went down from 16 years old with a BF of 45% from 88kg to 65kg and then into the build up to 78kg and then a cut to 74kg and then always had some interruptions due to work and injuries so that I always had sporadic 7 months of training then 5-6 months of breaks etc. Now I come back from a 7-month break from sports.

Progression – Week 6 (Current)​

I am now in week 6 since the first exogenous testosterone injection and have done another blood test to see how my body reacts to it.

Based on my blood test, you can see that my HDL/LDL value is extremely bad, which is due to the fact that I did not do any cardio training to stabilize these values. To do this now, I additionally do cardio, supplement more omega 3, and continue my diet for body fat reduction.

You can also see that my estradiol E2 value is extremely elevated, which is due to my high body fat percentage. As a countermeasure, I have decided to take an aromatase inhibitor. I personally decided on anastrozole 0.5mg daily (ED) and will therefore do another quick lab test for my estradiol in 7 days to see how quickly it drops and then in 14 days when steady state is reached, do another lab test for my estradiol to adjust the dosage accordingly.

Important: With E2 = 162 pg/ml, monitoring is particularly critical because my body fat is simultaneously decreasing (through diet + clen) and this also lowers aromatase activity. This means my E2 could drop faster than normal and therefore I should already check after 7 days to not overshoot.

For you as a nice to know: please consider that there are anastrozole non-responders and if you should be one of them, you should switch to other aromatase inhibitors such as exemestane or letrozole etc.

Countermeasures (from Week 6)​

E2 Management:​

• Anastrozole 0.5mg ED starting now
• Test after 14 days (Steady State)
• Target range: 30-50 pg/ml

Lipid Management:​

• Cardio 3-4x per week (30 min moderate intensity)
• Omega-3 supplementation: 3-4g daily
• Diet: Further caloric deficit for BF reduction
• Goal: HDL >50, LDL <100 within 8-12 weeks

If you have any open questions or recommendations for me, feel free to post them here. I will keep the thread updated accordingly regarding my results. Thank you for your patience and stay safe.

I wrote the complete text myself, but I had it translated into English by an AI since I'm not that good at writing in this language as I'm from Germany. I created the tables myself for a structured overview. I hope I don't get hate for this since I just want to help. Thank you all!

I wanted to give you an update. Unfortunately, due to time constraints, I only managed to get a lab test done on day 12 (steady state is reached between day 7 and 10). As you can see from my last lab test, I had a very high estradiol (E2) value. I have now been taking 0.5mg anastrozole daily, which worked very well for me. Since my value is now lower than expected, I will start taking 0.5mg every two days.

 

[MLX]

I wanted to give you an update. Unfortunately, due to time constraints, I only managed to get a lab test done on day 12 (steady state is reached between day 7 and 10). As you can see from my last lab test, I had a very high estradiol (E2) value. I have now been taking 0.5mg anastrozole daily, which worked very well for me. Since my value is now lower than expected, I will start taking 0.5mg every two days.

the inbody test is not accurate btw

 

[Yukineonroids]

the inbody test is not accurate btw

I know that InBody measurements are not very accurate, but it is currently the only way for me to get a reference value.

 

[Yukineonroids]

20 years old, Testosterone Enanthate, HCG, Clenbuterol

Starting Stats​

• 20 years old
• 90 kg
• 167cm
• 35% BF

Current Stats (Week 6)​

• 20 years old
• 94 kg
• 167cm
• 30% BF

Foreword​

First of all, I want to thank Driadashop.to for providing me with this platform to share my knowledge with you. Most importantly, I want to say that all statements made here are without warranty.

Why did I start taking AAS at 20 years old?​

The reason for this is that there was no doctor who could help me solve my problems. I had a testosterone deficiency and every doctor wanted to prescribe me antidepressants for my symptoms, which I personally strongly opposed. After that, I really intensively engaged with this entire topic and did not even bother to look at bro science things, but instead immediately engaged deeply with the subject and only looked at validated scientific studies and analyzed them systematically.

Why I chose Testosterone Enanthate, HCG, and Clenbuterol​

Testosterone Enanthate (2x 125mg = 250mg per week)​

Due to my hypogonadism, I chose testosterone enanthate because it is not a foreign substance to the body and should therefore be a baseline in every cycle and is also used in medical TRT in Germany. With this dosage, I reached over 13 ng/ml testosterone at trough in a blood test after 6 weeks, which shows that I am a very good responder.

HCG (2x 250IU = 500IU per week)​

I take HCG in a very low dosage which is minimal to prevent testicular atrophy and so that I can maintain the stimulation of my Leydig cells so that they do not shrink and later when I eventually stop there are no long-term damages. The mechanism of action of HCG is as follows: HCG imitates the body's own LH and works on these receptors which promote spermatogenesis and result in the maintenance of testicular capacity.

The great myth that Leydig cells have a habituation effect and are unnecessarily desensitized is wrong. The saying goes "the dose makes the poison" – as long as the dose is kept moderate and in a therapeutic dose such as 250IU 2 times per week, this does not necessarily lead to desensitization. In most cases these occur with higher dosages such as 2500IU per week with long-term use. Why it is important to know this is that with extreme high-dose use without HCG support, Leydig cell damage can occur which under certain circumstances can persist and thus represent a permanent state, which is why there is also the possibility that you have to permanently inject yourself with testosterone because your body can no longer produce it itself.

Clenbuterol (120mcg daily in a 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off scheme)​

I personally took clenbuterol because of my diet, as the drug can bring many advantages but also strong side effects. The advantage of clenbuterol is that it is a beta 2 agonist which increases thermogenesis and thus as a nice side effect brings an additional kcal expenditure of approximately 200-300kcal depending on the dosage. However, the great advantage of clenbuterol is that it mobilizes the fat depots and increases fat oxidation by approximately 30-40%, which results in your body not only drawing on muscles, glycogen and fat but drawing approximately 80-90% only on fat under optimal conditions such as macros, deficit, training. In addition, clenbuterol brings a muscle-sparing effect.

The disadvantages of clenbuterol are as follows: elevated heart rate and high adrenaline levels. Since clenbuterol indirectly promotes adrenaline release and thus also brings tremor and nervousness. In addition, there is the so-called type 2 fiber shift, where the endurance-oriented muscle fibers switch to fast-twitch muscle fibers with reduced endurance. Some see that as an advantage, some as a disadvantage. Then there are the cardiovascular risks, as your cardiovascular system can suffer damage. The beta 2 receptor desensitization: here it is so that with every day of clenbuterol use, the beta 2 receptors become saturated and thus after a while desensitize and thus clenbuterol can no longer produce positive effects, which is why you stick to the most famous scheme of 2 weeks on 2 weeks off so that the receptors can recover and are no longer desensitized.

How did I start?​

Before I started, I did a blood test to know my baseline values. Unfortunately, I had prepared very fatty food the evening before, which resulted in certain values in my blood test not being measurable or being falsified, which I regret afterwards because these values are really important.

PEDs​

Testosterone Enanthate	125mg	2x per week
HCG	250IU	2x per week

Training​

Monday	6 sets chest / 4 sets triceps	10
Tuesday	6 sets back / 4 sets biceps	10
Wednesday	Rest Day	—
Thursday	6 sets biceps / 6 sets triceps / 6 sets shoulders	18
Friday	4 sets chest / 4 sets back	8
Saturday	Rest Day	—
Sunday	Rest Day	—

Why did I choose this training plan?​

I chose this training plan because it is the most effective for me. I train really hard every set to muscle failure or just before muscle failure with steady weight increases. The reason I don't train legs is because I have a torn meniscus in my knee and therefore spare my legs because I need surgery soon.

Diet​

Morning	Clear Whey Isolate
Mid-Morning	Rice Pudding with Whey
Lunch	Chicken breast fillet with rice
Evening	Natural yogurt with flavor drops
Snack	Flexible 200-300kcal

Training Experience​

I personally started strength sports at age 16, however with many training breaks. First I went down from 16 years old with a BF of 45% from 88kg to 65kg and then into the build up to 78kg and then a cut to 74kg and then always had some interruptions due to work and injuries so that I always had sporadic 7 months of training then 5-6 months of breaks etc. Now I come back from a 7-month break from sports.

Progression – Week 6 (Current)​

I am now in week 6 since the first exogenous testosterone injection and have done another blood test to see how my body reacts to it.

Based on my blood test, you can see that my HDL/LDL value is extremely bad, which is due to the fact that I did not do any cardio training to stabilize these values. To do this now, I additionally do cardio, supplement more omega 3, and continue my diet for body fat reduction.

You can also see that my estradiol E2 value is extremely elevated, which is due to my high body fat percentage. As a countermeasure, I have decided to take an aromatase inhibitor. I personally decided on anastrozole 0.5mg daily (ED) and will therefore do another quick lab test for my estradiol in 7 days to see how quickly it drops and then in 14 days when steady state is reached, do another lab test for my estradiol to adjust the dosage accordingly.

Important: With E2 = 162 pg/ml, monitoring is particularly critical because my body fat is simultaneously decreasing (through diet + clen) and this also lowers aromatase activity. This means my E2 could drop faster than normal and therefore I should already check after 7 days to not overshoot.

For you as a nice to know: please consider that there are anastrozole non-responders and if you should be one of them, you should switch to other aromatase inhibitors such as exemestane or letrozole etc.

Countermeasures (from Week 6)​

E2 Management:​

• Anastrozole 0.5mg ED starting now
• Test after 14 days (Steady State)
• Target range: 30-50 pg/ml

Lipid Management:​

• Cardio 3-4x per week (30 min moderate intensity)
• Omega-3 supplementation: 3-4g daily
• Diet: Further caloric deficit for BF reduction
• Goal: HDL >50, LDL <100 within 8-12 weeks

If you have any open questions or recommendations for me, feel free to post them here. I will keep the thread updated accordingly regarding my results. Thank you for your patience and stay safe.

I wrote the complete text myself, but I had it translated into English by an AI since I'm not that good at writing in this language as I'm from Germany. I created the tables myself for a structured overview. I hope I don't get hate for this since I just want to help. Thank you all!

I wanted to let you know that I have now decided to remove Clenbuterol from my plan completely because, as others have already written, the risk-benefit ratio is not effective, which is why I will remove it completely so as not to take any additional cardiovascular risks.

 

[SalvatoreCorvus]

You're e2 are way too low for your general health.
0.5mg of anastrozol everyday is too much. E2D also I think.
E3d would be enough in my opinion

 

[Falcon]

While mental health is often neglected way too much, unfortunately, tons of people with hormonal problems are put on antidepressants because endocrinology is kind of lagging and it's more suitable for them to say "there is nothing wrong with you, it is just in your mind". Antidepressants, combined with psychotherapy (which is just useful in general even if you have no mental health problems) can be really necessary and life-saving, but in my experience, the symptoms of hormonal deficiencies are very often misunderstood as depression, and doctors rarely care about optimising wellness, they just look at the numbers and check whether they reach the bottom of the range or are not over the top of the range, and that's it. I applaud both therapy (and, if needed, antidepressants), and the intention of replacing the missing hormones, but go slowly and take the time to get to know your body and what happens in it. Don't throw huge doses at the problem from the beginning, you may even not need those doses later, either.