Expert Answered First Cycle for combat Sport and fastet Recovery

[Julez]

Hello Everyone
before is Start my First cycle i just wanna ask if somebody here has some experience with combat Sports and avoiding Injuries? Just for Information my weight now is 97 kg and i Need to make weight to 84 kg !
Until now im taking Cardarine for cardio and Melatonin in high dosing for sleep! My Calories intakte is at 2000 per day with 1,76 height. I have some Problems with my Right shoulder (which get away with HGH 3 Units) but i quit it because my chest is growing gynäkomastie so what you Guys recommend to for Overall joint Health and good Recovery

 

[Donvitosharkone]

Hello Everyone
before is Start my First cycle i just wanna ask if somebody here has some experience with combat Sports and avoiding Injuries?
Until now im taking Cardarine for cardio and Melatonin in high dosing for sleep! I have some Problems with my Right shoulder so what you Guys recommend ?

Hi Julez!

For combat sports, I’d solve the shoulder before the cycle, not expect the cycle to solve the shoulder. More strength on top of an existing mechanical problem can actually make an injury easier to aggravate.

Cardarine also deserves more respect than its reputation as “cardio support” suggests, and high-dose melatonin isn’t automatically better sleep. I’d simplify things and get the shoulder properly assessed, then work on mobility, rotator cuff/scapular control, technique and load management.

Regarding compounds, Turinabol is sometimes attractive to combat athletes because the goal is strength/performance without chasing a large increase in bodyweight, but being oral doesn’t make it harmless. Lipids and liver markers can take a hit, and it certainly isn’t an injury-prevention drug.

For a first cycle, boring is usually intelligent. Get healthy first, establish bloodwork and BP, then keep the pharmacology as simple as possible. In fighting, usable performance beats gym numbers every time.

Shark

 

[Sam Bjorn]

Hello Everyone
before is Start my First cycle i just wanna ask if somebody here has some experience with combat Sports and avoiding Injuries? Just for Information my weight now is 97 kg and i Need to make weight to 84 kg !
Until now im taking Cardarine for cardio and Melatonin in high dosing for sleep! My Calories intakte is at 2000 per day with 1,76 height. I have some Problems with my Right shoulder (which get away with HGH 3 Units) but i quit it because my chest is growing gynäkomastie so what you Guys recommend to for Overall joint Health and good Recovery

Hi,

As for combat sports, I can help you with that. I’ve been doing combat sports since 2016, so anything related to pharmacology requires extra caution. Regarding Turinabol, which Shark mentioned — in theory, yes, it can be tried, but in practice I know some fighters had a specific reaction to it: it caused much worse “pumps” in the lower back and calves than dbol (although that sounds paradoxical).

Let’s split your goals into a few separate points.

1. What exactly is wrong with your shoulder? During which movements and at what angles does it hurt? Have you had it diagnosed?
2. As for overall joint health, do you have any other weak/problem areas?
3. When is your fight, and have you cut weight before? The strategy will depend on that.

 

[Julez]

Hi,

As for combat sports, I can help you with that. I’ve been doing combat sports since 2016, so anything related to pharmacology requires extra caution. Regarding Turinabol, which Shark mentioned — in theory, yes, it can be tried, but in practice I know some fighters had a specific reaction to it: it caused much worse “pumps” in the lower back and calves than dbol (although that sounds paradoxical).

Let’s split your goals into a few separate points.

1. What exactly is wrong with your shoulder? During which movements and at what angles does it hurt? Have you had it diagnosed?
2. As for overall joint health, do you have any other weak/problem areas?
3. When is your fight, and have you cut weight before? The strategy will depend on that.

Thank you for your answer.

To the First Point my Spine is not exactly in the middle as it should be.It’s a little more to the left side thats why the pressure on my right shoulder is higher than usual. I need permanent strength Training to keep it in Control.

To the second point no i have no other joint Problems.

And to the last point i need to cut from 98 kg to 84 kg im a little overweight. I can fight every month but have no fixed date yet i want to loose weight first and keep as much muscles as i can (also for aesthetics)

I do strength Training and MMA just for Information and really important is also fast Recovery. Maybe you have a good advice

 

[Sam Bjorn]

Thank you for your answer.

To the First Point my Spine is not exactly in the middle as it should be.It’s a little more to the left side thats why the pressure on my right shoulder is higher than usual. I need permanent strength Training to keep it in Control.

To the second point no i have no other joint Problems.

And to the last point i need to cut from 98 kg to 84 kg im a little overweight. I can fight every month but have no fixed date yet i want to loose weight first and keep as much muscles as i can (also for aesthetics)

I do strength Training and MMA just for Information and really important is also fast Recovery. Maybe you have a good advice

Regarding your spine — have you seen a physiotherapist/traumatologist? As for supportive strength training, that’s definitely important with any injury. Have the specialists explained what exactly is going on with your shoulder? Maybe one of the tendons has tendinitis or something similar.

If there’s no urgency to cut weight, I would do it gradually, simply by reducing your calorie intake. It would be very informative if you sent a photo of your current shape, then it would be easier for me to assess the situation and give more specific recommendations.

As I understand it, is 84 kg your weight class? Or is that specifically your target weight?

 

[Julez]

Hi Julez!

For combat sports, I’d solve the shoulder before the cycle, not expect the cycle to solve the shoulder. More strength on top of an existing mechanical problem can actually make an injury easier to aggravate.

Cardarine also deserves more respect than its reputation as “cardio support” suggests, and high-dose melatonin isn’t automatically better sleep. I’d simplify things and get the shoulder properly assessed, then work on mobility, rotator cuff/scapular control, technique and load management.

Regarding compounds, Turinabol is sometimes attractive to combat athletes because the goal is strength/performance without chasing a large increase in bodyweight, but being oral doesn’t make it harmless. Lipids and liver markers can take a hit, and it certainly isn’t an injury-prevention drug.

For a first cycle, boring is usually intelligent. Get healthy first, establish bloodwork and BP, then keep the pharmacology as simple as possible. In fighting, usable performance beats gym numbers every time.

Shark

Thank you for your answer and advice Shark

 

[Julez]

Regarding your spine — have you seen a physiotherapist/traumatologist? As for supportive strength training, that’s definitely important with any injury. Have the specialists explained what exactly is going on with your shoulder? Maybe one of the tendons has tendinitis or something similar.

If there’s no urgency to cut weight, I would do it gradually, simply by reducing your calorie intake. It would be very informative if you sent a photo of your current shape, then it would be easier for me to assess the situation and give more specific recommendations.

As I understand it, is 84 kg your weight class? Or is that specifically your target weight?

Good evening Sam i will send you a Picture and a detailed message tomorrow when im at Home thx for your time mate

 

[Sam Bjorn]

Good evening Sam i will send you a Picture and a detailed message tomorrow when im at Home thx for your time mate

Hi Julez

Send it right here. I also wanted to ask about the 2000 calories a day — at this calorie intake, is your weight staying the same or slowly going down? Protein intake is also important — are you managing to get around 170–200 grams of protein a day?

 

[Julez]

Hi Julez

Send it right here. I also wanted to ask about the 2000 calories a day — at this calorie intake, is your weight staying the same or slowly going down? Protein intake is also important — are you managing to get around 170–200 grams of protein a day?

sometimes the shoulder is filled with liquid inside the Bone because of to much pressure but this was before i started specific supportive strength Training. Sometimes its just inflammation inside and when im constantly Training a lot. So im searching for solutions for reducing the inflammation as much as possible.

84 kg is my weightclass yes.
And with 2000 Calorie per day for sure my weight will Go down currently im taking 2300 also i manage to get 180-200 gr of Protein per Day.

 

[Julez]

And two pictures as you can See a Little overweight but slowly Loosing weight

 

[Sam Bjorn]

sometimes the shoulder is filled with liquid inside the Bone because of to much pressure but this was before i started specific supportive strength Training. Sometimes its just inflammation inside and when im constantly Training a lot. So im searching for solutions for reducing the inflammation as much as possible.

84 kg is my weightclass yes.
And with 2000 Calorie per day for sure my weight will Go down currently im taking 2300 also i manage to get 180-200 gr of Protein per Day.

Thank you Julian!

Sorry for the delayed reply, I was a bit sick — my head was foggy for a few days.

I recommend getting an MRI of your shoulder joint so you know exactly what the cause is. That's what I did because I had shoulder pain too, and now I understand the cause and can target it specifically. Of course, you can get an ultrasound instead of an MRI — it's cheaper, but an ultrasound may not show the full picture, so I would get an MRI. You'll probably be able to solve your problem much faster and avoid making it worse.

Your protein intake is great. If you can lose weight without GLP-1 agonists like retatrutide, that's what I would do. Get down to 2000 calories and record your weight every day. See what happens over two weeks. Of course, you should understand that a calorie deficit will lead to some loss of endurance — but that's normal. Think of it as a necessary stage.

 

[Sam Bjorn]

You can add a little growth hormone — I think 2 IU will be quite enough. This will increase lipolysis, meaning it will increase the availability of fatty acids from your subcutaneous fat stores to be used as an energy source.

As for the aesthetic side, there are two options.

The first option is to add some testosterone at therapeutic doses (around 120–150 mg per week) and add a small amount of an anabolic as well. This will give you a little more energy during training and help preserve muscle mass while you're in a calorie deficit. You might even gain some muscle, but not much.

The second option is to get down to 84 kg and then start with a small calorie surplus. In that case, muscle growth will be significantly better because building muscle tissue also requires energy.

 

[Julez]

You can add a little growth hormone — I think 2 IU will be quite enough. This will increase lipolysis, meaning it will increase the availability of fatty acids from your subcutaneous fat stores to be used as an energy source.

As for the aesthetic side, there are two options.

The first option is to add some testosterone at therapeutic doses (around 120–150 mg per week) and add a small amount of an anabolic as well. This will give you a little more energy during training and help preserve muscle mass while you're in a calorie deficit. You might even gain some muscle, but not much.

The second option is to get down to 84 kg and then start with a small calorie surplus. In that case, muscle growth will be significantly better because building muscle tissue also requires energy.

Hello Sam hope youre healthy now

Thanks for the good advice you helped me with my decision also to take Testo E in Therapeutic Doses. So i should split them in two doses per week right?

Which kind of anabolic you mean specifically ? There are so much compounds…

I did HGH already but had a Little Problem to manage the estrogene… maybe you also have some advice what Kind of Blockers i can take which work for HGH.

Julez

 

[Sam Bjorn]

Hello Sam hope youre healthy now

Thanks for the good advice you helped me with my decision also to take Testo E in Therapeutic Doses. So i should split them in two doses per week right?

Which kind of anabolic you mean specifically ? There are so much compounds…

I did HGH already but had a Little Problem to manage the estrogene… maybe you also have some advice what Kind of Blockers i can take which work for HGH.

Julez

Thanks Julez, I’m feeling much better now. Apparently it was some kind of virus.

Yes, split the testosterone into two or three injections. You can even try SubQ injections to make things easier for yourself, but then you’ll need to inject more frequently because you can’t inject a large amount of oil under the skin.

In general, you should use DHT derivatives so they don’t cause water retention and you don’t lose endurance. Primo, Drostanolone, or DHB at minimal doses could work here. If you tell me what dose of testosterone you decided to use, I can suggest the dose of the second steroid.

Regarding growth hormone — it doesn’t increase estradiol by itself. Maybe you simply had water retention that you perceived as an increase in estradiol?

 

[Julez]

Thanks Julez, I’m feeling much better now. Apparently it was some kind of virus.

Yes, split the testosterone into two or three injections. You can even try SubQ injections to make things easier for yourself, but then you’ll need to inject more frequently because you can’t inject a large amount of oil under the skin.

In general, you should use DHT derivatives so they don’t cause water retention and you don’t lose endurance. Primo, Drostanolone, or DHB at minimal doses could work here. If you tell me what dose of testosterone you decided to use, I can suggest the dose of the second steroid.

Regarding growth hormone — it doesn’t increase estradiol by itself. Maybe you simply had water retention that you perceived as an increase in estradiol?

Hello Sam good to here that youre doing well.

I will take a Dose of 150 mg testo e and i make a Choice to Take Primobolan it would be a really good help to know how much i should Take as a Micro Dose.

First HGH was working for me very well and i had no to very Little water retention because my weight doesnt Go up only going down.
Second
I notice on my Right chest that some Hard structure was groing and i was also make an Ultra Sonic and it was some soft Kind of Gynäkomastie also i did bloodwork but my Prolaktin which i thoughr was the Problem at First but everything was ok
Also my Natural Testosteron Levels Are in a good normal Range so i didnt know why this was growing. After i stopped it was slowly going back and to be honest Nobody will See something from outside

 

[Julez]

Hello Sam good to here that youre doing well.

I will take a Dose of 150 mg testo e and i make a Choice to Take Primobolan it would be a really good help to know how much i should Take as a Micro Dose.

First HGH was working for me very well and i had no to very Little water retention because my weight doesnt Go up only going down.
Second
I notice on my Right chest that some Hard structure was groing and i was also make an Ultra Sonic and it was some soft Kind of Gynäkomastie also i did bloodwork but my Prolaktin which i thoughr was the Problem at First but everything was ok
Also my Natural Testosteron Levels Are in a good normal Range so i didnt know why this was growing. After i stopped it was slowly going back and to be honest Nobody will See something from outside

And the last question i have is should i reduce my Body fat First or is the Dose 150 mg per week ok with a higher Body fat percentage you See my Fotos thats the last thing i have in my mind

 

[Sam Bjorn]

Hello Sam good to here that youre doing well.

I will take a Dose of 150 mg testo e and i make a Choice to Take Primobolan it would be a really good help to know how much i should Take as a Micro Dose.

First HGH was working for me very well and i had no to very Little water retention because my weight doesnt Go up only going down.
Second
I notice on my Right chest that some Hard structure was groing and i was also make an Ultra Sonic and it was some soft Kind of Gynäkomastie also i did bloodwork but my Prolaktin which i thoughr was the Problem at First but everything was ok
Also my Natural Testosteron Levels Are in a good normal Range so i didnt know why this was growing. After i stopped it was slowly going back and to be honest Nobody will See something from outside

It’s a minimalist approach, but it could work quite well for you. I would do it this way — start with testosterone and check your estradiol level after 4 weeks. Based on that, I would determine the Primo dosage. The thing is that Primo lowers estradiol, and exactly how much is very individual. You don’t want estradiol to be too high and cause water retention that could affect your endurance, but on the other hand, you don’t want estradiol to be too low either. I assume the Primo dosage could be around 80 mg. But this needs to be checked.

If estradiol doesn’t increase much on 150 mg of testosterone, then instead of Primo you could use Drostanolone, and in that case we wouldn’t be limited to 80 mg and could use 150–200 mg if necessary.

If you started developing gyno on growth hormone, that is possible, and it’s even described as a side effect, although it happens rarely. The theoretical mechanism is based on the increase in IGF-1. Growth hormone produces much of its anabolic effect through this protein. When growth hormone reaches the liver, the liver produces IGF-1, which then increases in the blood. It’s responsible for tissue growth (which is basically where the anabolic effect comes from), but not only muscle tissue — it can also affect breast tissue by increasing its sensitivity to the estrogen signal.

Based on this, I assume that you may run into gynecomastia on your future cycle, so controlling estradiol will be necessary and it’s worth thinking about this in advance.

 

[Sam Bjorn]

And the last question i have is should i reduce my Body fat First or is the Dose 150 mg per week ok with a higher Body fat percentage you See my Fotos thats the last thing i have in my mind

In the context of my previous message, if you’re predisposed to sensitivity to estrogen signaling, there’s a higher chance that even with relatively low doses of testosterone, slightly increased aromatase activity (the enzyme that converts part of testosterone into estradiol) could make itself noticeable in terms of gyno. Aromatase is mainly found in fat cells. So the more body fat you have, the more it can contribute to testosterone conversion. It’s not a dealbreaker, you’ll just need to pay closer attention to your estradiol levels and keep either an aromatase inhibitor or Primo on hand.

But to answer your question more fully, I’ll ask you a slightly different question. With your current calorie intake, how quickly are you losing weight? There are different ways we can approach your goal.

 

[Julez]

In the context of my previous message, if you’re predisposed to sensitivity to estrogen signaling, there’s a higher chance that even with relatively low doses of testosterone, slightly increased aromatase activity (the enzyme that converts part of testosterone into estradiol) could make itself noticeable in terms of gyno. Aromatase is mainly found in fat cells. So the more body fat you have, the more it can contribute to testosterone conversion. It’s not a dealbreaker, you’ll just need to pay closer attention to your estradiol levels and keep either an aromatase inhibitor or Primo on hand.

But to answer your question more fully, I’ll ask you a slightly different question. With your current calorie intake, how quickly are you losing weight? There are different ways we can approach your goal.

Ok so First i will make Bloodwork ( Testosteron, Hämatokrit, Estradiol, Prolaktin, HBA1C and IGF 1 for HGH)

I can Tell you how much weight i loose in around 1 Week because i started this Week on Monday with only 2000 Calories.

Testo E i already have at Home and HGH is on the way so i can start every time but will wait until bloodwork is done and i also wanna buy an aromatase inhibitor in advance to keep Thinge Professional.
Thank you for youre time you spend to answer my questions
I will keep my Calories at 2000 and will observe the weight loss

 

[Sam Bjorn]

No problem bro, that’s exactly what we’re here for.

I recommend weighing yourself every morning and recording your weight. That way you’ll understand the trend much more accurately. If you weigh yourself once a week, there can be fluctuations of +/- 1.5 that you won’t be able to account for. It’s not critical, but if you can weigh yourself every day, it will give you a clearer picture for the future. For example, there are scales that connect via Bluetooth to an app, where your weight is recorded automatically and you can then view a graph for any period of time. You can compare it with your calorie intake and training schedule and see the correlations. This is useful because it helps you better understand how different actions affect your weight, and accordingly you’ll have better control over the process. It’s simply an investment in your progress.

I recommend getting the following tests before your cycle. This is the minimum list of blood tests for monitoring the main possible changes and risk factors during TRT or a steroid cycle.

• Complete Blood Count — with attention to Hemoglobin (Hb) and Hematocrit (HCT)
• LDL-C — “bad” cholesterol
• HDL-C — “good” cholesterol
• Triglycerides
• Apolipoprotein B (ApoB) — indicates the number of atherogenic lipoprotein particles
• Lipoprotein(a) — a mainly genetically determined cardiovascular risk factor; generally, measuring it at least once in adulthood is enough
• Homocysteine — an additional marker in the context of cardiovascular risk
• Estradiol (E2) — the main estrogen
• Prolactin (avoid sexual activity for 24 hours before the blood test)
• PSA — prostate-specific antigen; especially relevant with age or if there are corresponding risk factors
• hs-CRP — inflammation marker

For growth hormone, you should at least get these tests:

• IGF-1
• HbA1c
• Insulin

It also makes sense to get blood chemistry done to check how your internal organs are functioning. This isn’t a complete list, but it covers the basics.

• ALT
• AST
• ALP
• GGT
• Total bilirubin
• Direct bilirubin
• Cystatin C

Before getting your blood drawn, don’t eat for 10–12 hours, avoid sexual activity for 24 hours, don’t smoke before the tests, avoid alcohol for several days, and if possible, minimize stress and avoid training for a couple of days. That would be ideal.