Test/Deca/Hgh Bulk

Here are some stats and what I'm currently running

Age: 21
Height: 185 cm
Start Weight: 80.0 kg (~7–8% BF)
Incline bench : 100kgx6

/\GOALS/\

Physic Goal:

80kg @8% ---> 93kg @12%
Fresh off a cut sitting at a dry 80kg, ghrelin was through the roof and insulin sensitivity at an all time high. Trying to drive max lean tissue with a clean 500 kcal surplus instead of a dirty bulk that ruins metabolic health. Thats why im implemenintg GH wich i never used before
Im doing this yo not end up like Dr Mike and his bubble gut

Strength goal :

currently at 100kgx6 on incline, i would love to end up at 120kgx4-6

/\ The Stack /\

Compounds:
-Testosterone: 500mg/wk (planning on upping the dose to 750mg, running it for primary mass builder)
-Deca: 400mg/wk (planning on increasing to 500mg/wk, running it as a second mass builder that is safer on the hair)
-HGH: 4 IU/day
-Tirzepatide: 2.5mg/wk (running low dose here as a shield for blood glucose against high carb + GH)

Ancillaries / Health:
-Telmisartan: 40mg/day
-Injectable L-Carnitine: 500mg/day
Arimidex: 0.5mg EOD
-Cabergoline: 0.25mg/wk

/\Diet & Training/\

-Diet: ~3,800 kcal (550g C / 220g P / 70g F)
This would be a 500kcal surplus, my maintenance is quite high at 3300kcal since im very active

-Training: PPL variant + Arm day, training 7 days a week every set to failure. I know rest days are "optimal" but I hate sitting around doing nothing on off days lol

Note : if you have any advice& experience with those compounds, i would love to hear it !
If you think im more or less than 8%BF, let me know !
No photo of hgh and ancillaries since they are from another source

 

[Timetogetjuiced]

Here are some stats and what I'm currently running

Age: 21
Height: 185 cm
Start Weight: 80.0 kg (~7–8% BF)
Incline bench : 100kgx6

/\GOALS/\

Physic Goal:

80kg @8% ---> 93kg @12%
Fresh off a cut sitting at a dry 80kg, ghrelin was through the roof and insulin sensitivity at an all time high. Trying to drive max lean tissue with a clean 500 kcal surplus instead of a dirty bulk that ruins metabolic health. Thats why im implemenintg GH wich i never used before
Im doing this yo not end up like Dr Mike and his bubble gut

Strength goal :

currently at 100kgx6 on incline, i would love to end up at 120kgx4-6

/\ The Stack /\

Compounds:
-Testosterone: 500mg/wk (planning on upping the dose to 750mg)
-Deca: 400mg/wk (planning on increasing to 500mg/wk)
-HGH: 4 IU/day
-Tirzepatide: 2.5mg/wk (running low dose here as a shield for blood glucose against high carb + GH)

Ancillaries / Health:
-Telmisartan: 40mg/day
-Injectable L-Carnitine: 500mg/day
Arimidex: 0.5mg EOD
-Cabergoline: 0.25mg/wk

/\Diet & Training/\

-Diet: ~3,800 kcal (550g C / 220g P / 70g F)
This would be a 500kcal surplus, my maintenance is quite high at 3300kcal since im very active

-Training: PPL variant + Arm day, training 7 days a week every set to failure. I know rest days are "optimal" but I hate sitting around doing nothing on off days lol

Note : if you have any advice& experience with those compounds, i would love to hear it !
If you think im more or less than 8%BF, let me know !
No photo of hgh and ancillaries since they are from another source

Looking good brah.

I got a couple questions ,
Why are u upping test to 750mg and why run deca instead of eq?

 

[sulk4]

Looking good brah.

I got a couple questions ,
Why are u upping test to 750mg and why run deca instead of eq?

Thanks !
Honestly just bc i got some deca a few weeks ago while it was discounted at -50%, so i want to empty the deca stock, but i was thinking of adding eq alongside of the test and deca.
Do you have any experience with eq ? If yes, how was it?
Upping test to 750mg simply to get more mass, nothing much more complicated than that

 

[Timetogetjuiced]

Thanks !
Honestly just bc i got some deca a few weeks ago while it was discounted at -50%, so i want to empty the deca stock, but i was thinking of adding eq alongside of the test and deca.
Do you have any experience with eq ? If yes, how was it?
Upping test to 750mg simply to get more mass, nothing much more complicated than that

Hahaha no bro I personally have no experience with eq im still only doing test 250 a week gonna up the dose after bloodwork is done to 350 or maybe 500 hmm but with upping test comes allot of water too so just saying that since you want more mass from test id keep test a bit low and run a secondary compound like eq or npp for more gains but tbh im not sure either what to use as a secondary some people say eq is trash idk why tho but npp I do know its good for muscle building and and acts fast, I was thinking maybe test and anadrol but anadrol has serious risks so yeah im still thinking about my secondary compound.

 

[sulk4]

Hahaha no bro I personally have no experience with eq im still only doing test 250 a week gonna up the dose after bloodwork is done to 350 or maybe 500 hmm but with upping test comes allot of water too so just saying that since you want more mass from test id keep test a bit low and run a secondary compound like eq or npp for more gains but tbh im not sure either what to use as a secondary some people say eq is trash idk why tho but npp I do know its good for muscle building and and acts fast, I was thinking maybe test and anadrol but anadrol has serious risks so yeah im still thinking about my secondary compound.

Hahaha smart move waiting on those bloods first bro. Going 250 to 350 is way smarter than jumping straight to 500 anyway, at least you’ll see how your E2 and water hold up without getting completely blown up.
About EQ, reason guys call it trash is mostly because the ester takes like 8 to 10 weeks just to saturate, so you gotta run a long ass 16+ week cycle to get real tissue out of it. Plus it crashes E2 for a lot of dudes like a fake AI and jacks up hematocrit real fast.
NPP is solid for gains for sure and clears fast if sides hit, but it’s still a 19-nor. So you gotta keep an eye on prolactin, spicy nips, and mood shifts, definitely need P5P or caber on hand if you run it.
I personally run deca (wich is the same molecule as npp, just different ester) and always have some caber on the side if things go south

 

[Timetogetjuiced]

Hahaha smart move waiting on those bloods first bro. Going 250 to 350 is way smarter than jumping straight to 500 anyway, at least you’ll see how your E2 and water hold up without getting completely blown up.
About EQ, reason guys call it trash is mostly because the ester takes like 8 to 10 weeks just to saturate, so you gotta run a long ass 16+ week cycle to get real tissue out of it. Plus it crashes E2 for a lot of dudes like a fake AI and jacks up hematocrit real fast.
NPP is solid for gains for sure and clears fast if sides hit, but it’s still a 19-nor. So you gotta keep an eye on prolactin, spicy nips, and mood shifts, definitely need P5P or caber on hand if you run it.
I personally run deca (wich is the same molecule as npp, just different ester) and always have some caber on the side if things go south

Yeah right, but whats a caber?
Also ive thought about it I might run for a secone cycle 350 test npp 300 and drop some mast in it for the dryer look and maybe anadrol at the last 4-3 weeks of the cycle, what you think bout it?

so caber or p5p to lower prolactin levels if it gets high but which one should I get?

 

[sulk4]

Yeah right, but whats a caber?
Also ive thought about it I might run for a secone cycle 350 test npp 300 and drop some mast in it for the dryer look and maybe anadrol at the last 4-3 weeks of the cycle, what you think bout it?

so caber or p5p to lower prolactin levels if it gets high but which one should I get?

Caber is short for Cabergoline. It's a heavy-duty prescription drug that directly shuts down prolactin in the brain.

Here’s how to handle Caber vs P5P:
-P5P (Active B6): Your daily defense. Taking 100–200mg daily keeps moderate 19-nor prolactin in check easily.
-Caber: The emergency panic button. Keep a few tabs on deck only if prolactin spikes crazy high (limp dick, spicy nips, mood crashes). Don't take it regularly like a supplement.

As for that 2nd cycle plan... bro, running 4 compounds at once is maybe too much in my opinion. If you start getting bad sides, you'll have zero clue which drug is causing it.

Two quick reality checks:
-Mast won't dry you out unless you're already sitting sub-10% body fat.
-Anadrol completely contradicts a dry look anyway, it causes instant water bloat, spikes blood pressure, and stresses your liver right at the end of a blast.

Tbh, 350 Test + 300 NPP is already a killer stack for a 2nd cycle and will pack on plenty of size. Drop the Mast and Anadrol, keep it simple, and see how your body handles a 19-nor first before running a full pharmacy!

 

[Timetogetjuiced]

Caber is short for Cabergoline. It's a heavy-duty prescription drug that directly shuts down prolactin in the brain.

Here’s how to handle Caber vs P5P:
-P5P (Active B6): Your daily defense. Taking 100–200mg daily keeps moderate 19-nor prolactin in check easily.
-Caber: The emergency panic button. Keep a few tabs on deck only if prolactin spikes crazy high (limp dick, spicy nips, mood crashes). Don't take it regularly like a supplement.

As for that 2nd cycle plan... bro, running 4 compounds at once is maybe too much in my opinion. If you start getting bad sides, you'll have zero clue which drug is causing it.

Two quick reality checks:
-Mast won't dry you out unless you're already sitting sub-10% body fat.
-Anadrol completely contradicts a dry look anyway, it causes instant water bloat, spikes blood pressure, and stresses your liver right at the end of a blast.

Tbh, 350 Test + 300 NPP is already a killer stack for a 2nd cycle and will pack on plenty of size. Drop the Mast and Anadrol, keep it simple, and see how your body handles a 19-nor first before running a full pharmacy!

True I might be rushing, so ill keep the anadrol out for now, test and npp will run for sure but mast ill think bout it. Right now im using 250 test on a cut as a first cycle trying maintain mass or even build mass if its possible in my defecit but some people say im wasting my cycle because im using it on a cut but my goal is to reach 10-12% bf so ill just keep using 250 for now till im lean enough then cruise on 150 test and reverse diet untill everything is stable and statt a second cycle to build muscle mass most likely test 350 npp 300

 

[sulk4]

True I might be rushing, so ill keep the anadrol out for now, test and npp will run for sure but mast ill think bout it. Right now im using 250 test on a cut as a first cycle trying maintain mass or even build mass if its possible in my defecit but some people say im wasting my cycle because im using it on a cut but my goal is to reach 10-12% bf so ill just keep using 250 for now till im lean enough then cruise on 150 test and reverse diet untill everything is stable and statt a second cycle to build muscle mass most likely test 350 npp 300

Glad you’re dropping the Anadrol bro, that’s going to save you a ton of headaches.

As for people telling you you're "wasting" 250 Test on a cut: don't overthink it. Is gear optimal in a calorie surplus for building raw size? Yeah, obviously. But using 250 Test on a deficit isn't useless at all, you basically guarantee zero muscle loss, keep full strength, and recover instantly.
Plus, trying to bulk when your body fat is too high just leads to crazy aromatization, high blood pressure, and adding more fat than you need. Getting lean first is always the right play.

Honestly, your actual game plan is textbook:
Finish the cut on 250 Test down to 10–12% BF.
Cruise on 150 Test + reverse diet back to maintenance (this resets your health markers and optimizes insulin sensitivity).
Blast the 350 Test + 300 NPP in a clean surplus once you're primed to grow.

Building a bit of muscle in a deficit is definitely possible if you're early in the game, but even if you just hold 100% of your tissue while getting shredded, you're setting yourself up perfectly for cycle #2.
I did a similar thing in my first cycle as well were i dropped from 20% to 9-10% bodyfat on 350test/wk

 

[Timetogetjuiced]

Glad you’re dropping the Anadrol bro, that’s going to save you a ton of headaches.

As for people telling you you're "wasting" 250 Test on a cut: don't overthink it. Is gear optimal in a calorie surplus for building raw size? Yeah, obviously. But using 250 Test on a deficit isn't useless at all, you basically guarantee zero muscle loss, keep full strength, and recover instantly.
Plus, trying to bulk when your body fat is too high just leads to crazy aromatization, high blood pressure, and adding more fat than you need. Getting lean first is always the right play.

Honestly, your actual game plan is textbook:
Finish the cut on 250 Test down to 10–12% BF.
Cruise on 150 Test + reverse diet back to maintenance (this resets your health markers and optimizes insulin sensitivity).
Blast the 350 Test + 300 NPP in a clean surplus once you're primed to grow.

Building a bit of muscle in a deficit is definitely possible if you're early in the game, but even if you just hold 100% of your tissue while getting shredded, you're setting yourself up perfectly for cycle #2.
I did a similar thing in my first cycle as well were i dropped from 20% to 9-10% bodyfat on 350test/wk

Damn bro congrats on that progress ive been 9 weeks into the cut prolly at 16%bf but ngl it takes longer then expected tho the reta helps allot with food noice and not binging so im glad with that, im eating at 1500-1800 calories a day and doing allot of cardio also I recently upped my carbs to 150-200 grams a day if im right it wont slow down my fat loss right? Mind I asking how long you did you’re cut? And thanks for the advice its really brought me to clearance and lowered the pressure of lean bulking for mass. I did put my before and after picture in my post if you wanna see my progress

 

[Davy Tenebrae]

Here are some stats and what I'm currently running

Age: 21
Height: 185 cm
Start Weight: 80.0 kg (~7–8% BF)
Incline bench : 100kgx6

/\GOALS/\

Physic Goal:

80kg @8% ---> 93kg @12%
Fresh off a cut sitting at a dry 80kg, ghrelin was through the roof and insulin sensitivity at an all time high. Trying to drive max lean tissue with a clean 500 kcal surplus instead of a dirty bulk that ruins metabolic health. Thats why im implemenintg GH wich i never used before
Im doing this yo not end up like Dr Mike and his bubble gut

Strength goal :

currently at 100kgx6 on incline, i would love to end up at 120kgx4-6

/\ The Stack /\

Compounds:
-Testosterone: 500mg/wk (planning on upping the dose to 750mg, running it for primary mass builder)
-Deca: 400mg/wk (planning on increasing to 500mg/wk, running it as a second mass builder that is safer on the hair)
-HGH: 4 IU/day
-Tirzepatide: 2.5mg/wk (running low dose here as a shield for blood glucose against high carb + GH)

Ancillaries / Health:
-Telmisartan: 40mg/day
-Injectable L-Carnitine: 500mg/day
Arimidex: 0.5mg EOD
-Cabergoline: 0.25mg/wk

/\Diet & Training/\

-Diet: ~3,800 kcal (550g C / 220g P / 70g F)
This would be a 500kcal surplus, my maintenance is quite high at 3300kcal since im very active

-Training: PPL variant + Arm day, training 7 days a week every set to failure. I know rest days are "optimal" but I hate sitting around doing nothing on off days lol

Note : if you have any advice& experience with those compounds, i would love to hear it !
If you think im more or less than 8%BF, let me know !
No photo of hgh and ancillaries since they are from another source

Hey bro, solid post. Really appreciate you making everything clear makes it easy to actually give useful feedback

I like the overall approach. Coming off a cut with high insulin sensitivity and running a controlled surplus instead of going full dirty bulk is the smart way to push lean tissue without wrecking your BF.

Stack is heavy for 21, just being real with you, but it’s put together in a thoughtful way. GH with food timing and adding low dose tirzepatide to help manage glucose is a nice touch.

Training every day to failure is the one thing I’d keep an eye on. I get the mindset completely, but recovery might end up being unoptimized here once everything starts kicking in. Even just managing intensity a bit could help you progress more long term.

Also respect for being open about using different sources for ancillaries. That kind of transparency is always appreciated and helps keep things real on the forum real.

If you stay consistent and don’t rush things, you can make some serious progress here